Let Me Ask You a Question – 6/19/18

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Let me ask you a question:

What is the solution for illegal immigration in the United States?  Please try to provide well thought out answers, not just political rhetoric or hate speak.

48 thoughts on “Let Me Ask You a Question – 6/19/18

  1. probably to open immigration/amnesty to all regardless of country or religion. Have provisional citizenship immediately with a time period established that is reasonable to go through the red tape, (i’d say 2 years) establish tiered cost housing and medical, have retraining options available for those without education so a job would be quickly feasible. Have an end time for each that is fair and reasonable based upon when they arrived, employment status and special needs for becoming citizens. Again 2 years seems reasonable.

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  2. I don’t know. I do know that separating children from parents isn’t the way to do it though, especially for those seeking asylum, not crossing illegally. You don’t want us to spew hate-filled political rhetoric, but that’s precisely what this administration is doing. Do I have a well thought out answer to immigration solutions? No, I really don’t. But, I’m certain that cruelty should not be part of the equation.

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    • I agree on the children issue. With that said, Evelina is going through getting her citizenship and it is my opinion that all people should go through the same process. You have to be here legally. It is a common law that most countries enforce. In the U.S. we have created a tangled web for ourselves and now we don’t know what to do.

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      • I agree with that. Even if it is just for temporary work, a legal visa should be acquired. I wholeheartedly agree that citizenship should be legally achieved and thorough vetting should be completed. Seeking asylum is a whole different animal though. They’re trying to do it legally, and appear to be being punished for doing so. They are now likely thinking about just sneaking in if this is how it’s gonna be when following the rules. I believe that the current display of inhumanity by our government is only going to encourage more attempts to enter illegally.

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      • I think the issue is the “who knows” part. And then, of course, the “doing it legally” part too. I’m referring more to the standard issue of immigration and less about asylum as I see these as 2 different issues.

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  3. It boils down to accountability. There shouldn’t be exceptions or shorter wait times on citizenship because people knowingly chose to ignore established laws. I have been married two times and both sets of in-laws were immigrants. My first in-laws arrived through asylum (Hungary) and the other in-laws (Filipino) by petitioning. It’s sad when families are broken up, but it happens all the time in the U.S. If a parent is arrested, the child(ren) could end up in foster care. The parents chose not to follow the rules. If naturalization is to be granted to those families who initially broke the law, they need to be wait-listed. No benefits, of any kind, until they receive residency and/or citizenship. Acclimation needs to be reached before any status is granted. Illegals do not deserve any extra consideration because they have already shown blatant disregard for our country’s laws. We also need to stop with using the word, “undocumented”. There is no need to sugar coat their status. They are illegals. If they are here on asylum, then that’s a different scenario because they followed procedure for entry into the country.

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  4. First, whatever the standards may be at any given time for legal immigrants of whatever type (ordinary, refugee, asylum, guest worker, etc.), the process desperately needs to be faster and with as little backlog as possible. Leaving people, often, desperate people hanging for years waiting for a decision really does make illegal entry and status look like a viable alternative. Better tracking of holders of temporary visas would help too, along with clear and accessible procedures for seeking extension of such a visa or conversion to permanent or other longer term status in the case of holders of tourist, business, and student visas status. A very large proportion of currently illegal immigrants have entered legally and overstayed limited visas.

    It is important to remember that prior to the passage of the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, there was no definition of legal or illegal entry. All our English, Scottish, Irish, German, etc. ancestors had to do was get off the boat and find their linguistic neighborhood or family members. Real efforts to regulate immigration generally did not begin until the 1920s with the introduction of country of origin quotas. Too many Americans who complain about illegals saying that their ancestors came legally forget that for a century after our independence, there was no such thing as an illegal immigrant. Should it be that way again? I doubt that we have the flexibility to absorb such numbers. The days of Homesteading and industrial revolution are over, and we are not busy settling the West and building cities, railroads, canals, and all that. So, there will be regulation and limitation. And, with the sheer impracticality of trying to deport 11 Million people, we can consider granting illegal immigrants who have been otherwise good citizens a pathway to legal status, unless we are committed to maintaining them as a shadow class to be exploited.

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    • While there once was no “illegal” immigration, there is now. There are regulations and just because the system doesn’t move fast enough (which could be revamped), it still doesn’t excuse those who refuse to wait. We also have immigrants, who are either illegal or expired-Visa holding, that will not assimilate and that’s a problem. If they wish to gain entry and make the U.S. their home, then they need to conform to U.S. rules. They can keep their traditions, but we they do not deserve special privileges (such as DACA) because they believe established rules don’t apply to them.

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    • Evelina is working through the mess that is our immigration department. It is difficult to get citizenship, but it is not impossible and after experiencing all the hoops we have had to jump through it feels unfair that others cheat the system. When all is said and done you cannot be in a country illegally or there will be consequences.

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  5. Wow Danny, this one is difficult to answer without emotion. The facts…no one should be allowed to skirt the law. I totally agree with that. It just sets a bad example across the board and it’s unfair to those who go through the process legally.
    That being said, if a person is desperate enough to come here given what so many people go through to make the trip and what they are faced with if caught, I have a hard time being unemotional.
    I don’t have a real answer. I wish I had more to say than….This is not right! I wish I had more to offer than…someone needs to do something. But I simply don’t.

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  6. What do you mean if you walk into Canada they will put you in jail? do you mean if you arrive at a border without a passport? I think you would be refused entry and not put in jail. I think that the question of immigration, migrants, asylum seekers is fraught with difficulty. If people are fleeing their country of origin due to persecution or war then it is a desperate situation and they should be given a temporary restricted entrance while their situation can be assessed, Economic migrants however are a less urgent situation. There are many countries in the world that have huge numbers of migrants arriving and asking for asylum. I do not have any good or quick answers to this but 1) I think that taxes would be increased to pay for workers who can assess the legitimacy of the migrants applications. 2) under no circumstances should families be separated. Taking children from their parents, especially at a young age, is something that will cause emotional damage that will have long lasting consequences. Given that some of these children may well end up living in the country they have arrived in it would be better to not have them dealing with mental illness later on with all that this implies.

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      • Well yes they would be upset and i think would escort you back over the border. When we had several thousand Haitians arrive in Quebec they were taken to some clearing centers and interviewed. Canada has a very clear and strict immigration policy and most of the people were turned down. What I do not know is if they were sent back to the US which is where they came from or were deported to Haiti.

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      • Well there you have it! My Husband has also found records on via the CBC of the detention of minors. They were kept with their parents apart from 11 who were detained without their adults. No information on what age those 11 were.

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      • It seems to be a huge problem in the world today. Millions of people are migrating to escape war or persecution as well as millions looking for a better economic situation. For me one of the worst is a milllion Rohinga in camps in Bangladesh, a country mired already in tremendous poverty and not able to deal with the influx. The Rohinga cannot go home as most of their villages have been destroyed. That is a dreadful situation and I think possibly the worst in the world. I find it very troubling as answers seem to be hard to come by.

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  7. I am not from the US but I fail to see what the hullabaloo is about. In all countries if the law is broken, there is a penalty. This government chose to implement the law. Perhaps previous governments chose to not do their work. So when governments do their work, they are called bad governments, unpopular, the mainstream media takes them on and maybe even they lose in the media election.
    The solution for illegal immigration is
    1. Consistent policies across governments even if a government rules only 4 years, the next government should not change policies or their implementation drastically.
    2. Implementation of law should not be made out as cruelty, heartlessness and so on.
    3. Applying for political asylum – there can be a speedy system to accommodate such immigrants but a thorough background check is necessary.
    4. Or the US government should have a blanket policy of ” not allowing any more immigration” till they settle all problems of citizens within the country. After all the citizens will have to support the immigrants for a time in terms of resources.
    Susie

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  8. I don’t know what the answer is however, what I do know what’s going on now with those children being taken from their parents is not the answer. It’s just horrible. This country is based on immigrants that came here many years ago. It’s the immigrants that build this country. I understand we have a problem and there needs to be a solution but solutions don’t come when things are so divided

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      • I agree. The unity in this country is broken and non existent. It’s sad. Even sadder is how much worse this country has become at the hand of the president. I’m open minded and respect the opinion and political beliefs of others but I in good faith can not stand behind a man who is willing to divide families from their children then lie about it blaming others opposed to assuming responsibility for his own actions. I was watching the news or as some people call it “fake news” this morning. It was hard for me to listen to some of the evangelicals defend this policy as gods will. It was hard for me to see the tweets of the president. It was hard for me to see and hear the cries of these young children! I’m sorry but the god I serve would never allow this to happen to anyone. The god I serve loves all his children. We are all his children whether we are illegal or not!! I have children who are grown and have given me two beautiful grandchildren. As a mother, nana and even aunt, I can’t imagine my children having to endure this abuse. I cried last night. This issue speaks to my heart. At this point the damage is done. Whatever comes of this, rest assured these children will be traumatized for the rest of their lives. This is cruel and goes against everything I believe in. Please forgive me for voicing my opinion. This is my opinion and my opinion only. We are all entitled to believe what we want to believe. I respect that. However, I will end by asking this question to all those evangelicals and so called Christians. Do you really believe that the god you serve would allow the actions of this administration to be his will? Dividing families, lying, bullying, insults, attacks, racism…the list goes on. Would the god you serve really allow this behavior? If the answer is yes then if that’s god I don’t want anything to do with him.

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  9. “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,” comes from the poem “The New Colossus.” The poem was written by Emma Lazarus.

    Then there’s the following:
    The actual text from Teddy Roosevelt’s letter is below. There are a few minor differences from the original such as changing “man” to “person” but the content is virtually identical.

    We should insist that if the immigrant who comes here does in good faith become an
    American and assimilates himself to us he shall be treated on an exact equality with every one else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed or birth-place or origin.
    But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming in very fact an American and nothing but an American. If he tries to keep segregated with men of his own origin and separated from the rest of America, then he isn’t doing his part as an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. . . We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language, for we intend to see that the crucible turns our people out as Americans, of American nationality, and not as dwellers in a polyglot boarding-house; and we have room for but one soul loyalty, and that is loyalty to the American people.

    Why did welfare start?
    The Welfare program began during the World War, to subsidize women and children who were left behind while the men took up arms and fought overseas.

    A very hard question to answer. I am sure everyone has their opinion on this as I do but I have heard many stories of people taking advantage of the system. One story that I know is true because I was witness to it is as follows:

    A pregnant girl from the island of Jamaica was eight months pregnant, she was not a citizen and came to visit her father living in the south. She stayed until she gave birth, had no money or insurance. Welfare paid for her child’s birth and when the baby was a couple of months old she went back to Jamaica. Which means we the American citizens paid for her child’s birth.
    They get money, housing, and food stamps.
    There are many elderly American citizens that have worked all their lives and contributed taxes that can not afford to pay for their medications yet they do not get any help from the government.

    What’s wrong with this picture? Is it fair? I think not.
    What do you think?

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  10. There’s no easy solution. In theory illegal immigrants should get papers, become American citizens but… many are denied political asylum and don’t have the money to do it legally. Many do it by getting a coyote to help them out because it’s less expensive. Most of our ancestors came from another country! Mine are from Spain and Mexico, but mostly Mexico. Whoever thinks a wall is going to stop illegal immigrants or drugs from coming over into the U.S. is sadly mistaken. I live 45 minutes away from Mexico. There’s already walls up yet they don’t stop the cartels or illegal immigration. Trump’s staff has the ability to put a stop to children being taken away from their parents yet they aren’t budging. All they do is point fingers. I am very upset with all of this! I live one hour away from where these children are being held. Thousands have been protesting and I plan on doing it again too. I protested when Trump became president.

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    • The asylum issue is difficult as we’ve seen in Europe with Syrians. The question is how many do you take? How many can you handle? I don’t know these answers. As for immigrants, there are laws and people must be here legally. My wife is from Poland and we are going through the process of her becoming a citizen. It isn’t expensive at all, but it does take time. Still doesn’t change the fact that you have to be legal.

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      • It is a hard subject. I’m not sure about numbers either. They just want a better life and more money which is why they come over here. As for them taking our jobs away, they most of the time get the ones we don’t really want like cleaning, cooking, picking fruit and vegetables. Yes but they should do it legally but it’s not always feasible. I’ve seen a lot of families split up by the border. The parents come over here illegally and stay. They then have their kids here and the parents end up getting deported. Trump also made a big deal about getting rid of DACA. It’s not the kids’ fault their parents came over illegally!
        There’s some that just cross over to work or go shopping in the U.S. but live in Mexico. I don’t think they all want to live here.

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  11. I’ve been doing a lot of thinking and researching about this issue because I’m writing a blog post about it. I’m not an American citizen and I don’t live in the US, but the issue of illegal immigration is not exclusive to the US. There are already hundreds of Central American illegal immigrants in my hometown here in Mexico or in the vicinity. Some want to continue the trip north, others want to stay in Mexico and ask for asylum here. Most of them are detained and deported.
    Personally, I think illegal immigration is a problem because we’re all looking at it as a problem. The movement of people from one place to another is a phenomenon that is as old as civilization. We can’t expect to control it with artificial boundaries set only a few decades ago. Immigration, legal or not, will continue whether we like or not. Immigration is a fact, not a problem. The problem is immigration laws as they are today are not adequate to handle the current wave of migrants, hence all the chaos we see at the border.
    However, the mass migration of people from one place to can be a huge opportunity, not a problem. People are a resource. One of the main objections to taking in more migrants and refugees is how can we afford to take care of these people. Instead, the question should be how can we afford to invest in these people so we can get the best returns.
    Countries often choose to ignore the fact that immigrants (legal or illegal) are actually an opportunity for growth. People who migrate want the opportunity to live in peace so that they can work, get an education, set up businesses, and create wealth. This benefits everyone in the end.
    Illegal immigrants have no access to welfare or social security, but legal migrants can work, pay taxes, and have access to health care and education. So let’s make it easy for them to become legal.
    Instead of trying to restrict migration, the US, Europe, and my own country should all be thinking about how to best access the huge resource that migrants represent. People enter a country illegally when they are desperate enough and see no other option, so let’s give them options. Let’s stop thinking we should try to keep them out because they’ll somehow “infest” the country. These are people, not pests. And people are a valuable resource.
    Like I said, current immigration laws are inadequate, so let’s change them. Let’s make it easy for migrants to become legal residents so that they can work, pay taxes, and so on.
    What about national security? Look at it this way. These people are fleeing violence and poverty in their country of birth. They’re looking for security, just the same as you and me.
    What about assimilation? That’s the least people be worried about. Usually, the first generation born of immigrants becomes completely assimilated.
    I say let everyone in. Legalize them and you’ll see the return on your investment in less than a generation.
    I know this might sound crazy. Many people in my own country disagree with me, but I stand by this. Let people in, and the problem goes away. Everyone wins.

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    • I see your point, but I do have push back. Many of these things sound good in a utopian sense, but the truth is being in a country illegally is inherently illegal. lol And you cannot just do away with laws. If I enter Germany today without permission there are going to be serious consequences. I’m not worried about assimilation I am concerned about doing things the right way. My wife is currently working through the system to become a citizen. It is not expensive to become a citizen but it does take time. But we are committed to do things the proper way.

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